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2010年11月4日 星期四

Krishnamurti On Meditation.2

In the previous blog, I tried to introduce a few ideas about its importance, its nature and what it is not and how it is related to something else more important than meditation itself. In this blog, I shall go into a little more details about how and what it feels like to be in that state, according to Krishnamurti. As before, I let the master speak for himself in his own words.  All that I have added are certain headings as a kind of facility or my very personal way of trying to encapsulate the gist of the relevant passages for my own, and I hope, my readers' benefit. 


What kind of state is Meditation


Meditation is one of the most extraordinary things, and if you do not know what  it is, you are like the blind man in a world of bright color, shadows and moving light.It is not an intellectual affair, but when the heart enters into the mind, the mind has quite a different quality; it is really, then, limitless, not only in its capacity to think, to act efficiently, but also in its sense of living in a vast space where you are part of everything...A peculiar thing takes place, which no drug or self-hypnosis can bring about; it is as though the mind enters into itself, beginning at the surface and penetrating ever more deeply , until depth and height have lost their meaning and every form of measurement ceases. In this state there is complete peace--not contentment which has come about through gratification--but a peace that has order, beauty and intensity. It can all be destroyed, as you can destroy a flower, and yet because of its very vulnerability it is indestructible. This meditation cannot be learned from another.


Meditation Must Start from Life


You must begin without knowing anything about it, and move from innocence to innocence. The soil in which the meditative mind can begin is the soil of everyday life, the strife, the pain and the fleeting joy. It must begin there, and bring order, and from there move endlessly. But if you are concerned only with making order, then that very order will bring about its own limitation, and the mind will be its prisoner. In all this movement, you must somehow begin from the other end, from the other shore and not always be concerned with this shore or how to cross the river. You must take a plunge into the water, not knowing how to swim. The beauty of meditation is that you never know where you are, where you are going, what the end is...Meditation is not something different from daily life: do not go off into the corner of a room and meditate for ten minutes, then come out of it and be a butcher--both metaphorically and actually.


Meditation must be natural


If you set out to meditate, it will not be meditation. If you set out to be good, goodness will never flower. If you cultivate humility, it ceases to be. Meditation is the breeze that comes in when you leave the window open; but if you deliberately keep it open, deliberately invite it to come, it will never appear.


Meditation is both Means and End: Freedom to enter into the Unknown


Meditation is not a means to an end: there is no end, no arrival; it is a movement in time and out of time. Every system, method, binds thought to time, but choiceless awareness of every thought and feeling, understanding of their motives, their mechanism, allowing them to blossom, is the beginning of meditation. When thought and feeling flourish and then die, meditation is the movement beyond time. In this movement there is ecstasy; in complete emptiness there is love, and with love there is destruction and creation. Meditation ..is both means and the end...What an extraordinary thing meditation is. If there is any kind of compulsion, effort to make thought conform, imitate, then it becomes a wearisome burden. The silence which is desired ceases to be illuminating. If it is the pursuit of visions and experiences, then it leads to illusions and self-hypnosis. Only in the flowering of thought and so ending thought, does meditation have significance. Thought can only flower in freedom, not in ever-widening patterns of knowledge. Knowledge may give newer experiences of greater sensation but a mind that is seeking experiences of any kind is immature. Maturity is the freedom from all experience; it is no longer under any influence to be or not to be. Maturity in meditation is the freeing of the mind from knowledge, for knowledge shapes and controls all experience. A mind which is a light to itself needs no experience. Immaturity is the craving for greater and wider experience. Meditation is the wandering through the world of knowledge and being free of it to enter into the unknown.


Meditation must be Experienced by Oneself


One has to find out for oneself, not through anybody. We have had the authority of teachers, saviors and masters. If you really want to find out what meditation is, you have to set aside all authority completely.


Meditation is not Pursuit of Pleasure or Happiness but Concept Free


Happiness and pleasure you can buy in any market at a price, but bliss you cannot buy--either for yourself or for another. Happiness and pleasure are time-binding. Only in total freedom does bliss exist. Pleasure, like happiness, you can seek and find in many ways, but they come and go. Bliss--that strange sense of joy--has no motive. You cannot possibly seek it. Once it is there, depending on the quality of your mind, it remains--timeless, causeless, a thing that is not measurable by time. Meditation is not the pursuit of pleasure or the search for happiness. Meditation, on the contrary is a state of mind in which there is no concept or formula, and therefore total freedom. It is only to such a mind that this bliss comes--unsought and uninvited. Once it is there, though you may live in the world with all its noise, pleasure and brutality, they will not touch your mind. Once it is there, conflict has ceased. But the ending of the conflict is not necessarily total freedom. Meditation is the movement of the mind in this freedom. In this explosion of bliss, the eyes are made innocent and love is then benediction.


Meditation is total attention but not concentration


I do not know if you have ever noticed that when you give total attention there is complete silence. And in that attention there is no frontier, there is no center, as the "me" who is aware or attentive. That attention, that silence, is a state of meditation. But...meditation is not concentration, which is exclusion, a cutting off, a resistance and so a conflict. A meditative state of mind can concentrate, which then is not an exclusion, a resistance, but a concentrated mind cannot meditate.


Wrtiting, writing, writing, I have written 7 paragraphs already. Time to stop, for the benefit of my readers.


16 則留言:

  1. No, please don't stop writing !  Unless you've gone to meditate !  " Release yourself and receive meditation...    Yourself totally free from all mundane burdens and worries,      And focus with the wholeness of your mind and soul,       Receive all or nothing from your both the present and the future,        Meditation would never be complete and yet you'll have to be patient..." Good morning, my dear old friend !   I have no time for meditation, but writing... How fortunate/ unfortunate ! 








    [版主回覆11/04/2010 07:07:00]
    Black Leopard shall always be Black Leopard: swift, creative, and with boundless energy! Thank you for your information!
    Try it. You won't regret it!

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  2. 早晨 ..elzorro 隻熊都有好書介紹呀  ..  黎睇睇
    [版主回覆11/04/2010 12:41:00]Thanks for the tips. I already did so.

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  3. Thank you very much for sharing your meditation experience. To me, the nice thing about meditation is to learn to "let go", letting go worries, fear, lust, anxiety, .... Once reaching that stage, a state of internal quietness and happiness creeps in as there is no more burden.
    [版主回覆11/04/2010 13:03:00]I am merely introducing what Krishnamurti has got to say about meditations. Those where his thoughts, not mine, although I agree with what he's got to say.
    You are right, meditation relaxes you and give you back the kinds of freedom robbed from us by the pressures of life in a modern metropolis but it's more than that.

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  4. I guess meditation cannot be set as a program, say a certain fixed time of the day or a certain place assigned for the purpose. If it becomes a daily routine, it becomes a chore. One should not meditate under any urge as if forced to take prescribed pills for healing purposes. With a motive in mind, the end becomes the means. I try to meditate sometimes even on the MTR or at other desultory moments when a sudden longing for forgetfulness seizes the mind. But certainly, I have yet to understand more the ways of meditation as delineated in your blog.   Look forward to reading your subsequent writings on the subject of meditation.
     
    [版主回覆11/04/2010 12:46:00]You're right. The worst thing you can do in meditation is to apply the human mind, the human will and human emotions to it. You guide your mind, your will, your emotions and your awareness, not command them. No force must be applied.

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  5. 靜心就是無止境的觀察;無止境的觀察,原來就是冥想;冥想,原來就是愛。
    http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/ListenTo-YourHeart/article?mid=1723
    [版主回覆11/04/2010 12:55:00]You try as relaxed as possible to become aware of whatever is going on outside the world and inside your mind and your heart and not allow yourself to be unduly distracted and let your mind settle down as murky water will settle down until all the sediments sink to the bottom of the glass. You do not allow your emotions: your hopes, your fears, your anger, your sorrows, your values and your discriminating mind to to affect it. You just quietly, silently, relaxedly observe what is going on and do not allow whatever you see, hear, sense, think, feel affect the process. You desire nothing, hope to achieve nothing, with no specific target to meet, with no time limit by which to reach it. When you cease to strive, the peace, the joy, the clarity will come to you, effortlessly, of their own accord. Then will love arise, naturally, a love which ceases to make a distinction between your "self" and the "others" and your "self" and the "world". 

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  6. When meditation is not a meditation,  only knowing every unit object we meet has its peace and its beauty and there is love everywhere ...
    [版主回覆11/05/2010 05:09:00]When you say meditation is not a meditation, I suppose what you mean is that we should not be "aware" that it is "we" who is "doing" the meditiation. Peace, beauty and love will then result inside what we think of as our "body" and our "mind" or "brain" or our "heart"?

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  7. Yes,  you're right,  you read my heart ...
    [版主回覆11/05/2010 17:55:00]Thank you.

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  8. 'set-backs'...what does it mean?
    [版主回覆11/07/2010 21:25:00]"Set-backs" are failures which give us the impression that we are sliding backwards instead of going forward, forgetting that through our failures, we learn to be wiser, stronger and therefore more fitted for future success. 

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  9. I'm grateful for your advice. It's clear and striaght to what I need. I've come back to my normal and keep fighting again. Because I know this is the only way to get better results. I don't know if it's the best one or not but I know it'd come off one day, at some point of time!
     
    Thank you again.
    [版主回覆11/07/2010 21:28:00]That is the spirit. Never let your transient emotions get you down. I'm glad you've regain your fighting spirit. We do our best. Then we leave the results to God, to chance, to fate. Once you're done, you forget about what you have done and get on with your next task, one step at a time.

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  10. Yesterday, I visited Cathay Pacific. It's a kind of English programmes provided by my school. I joined the programme and had some fun. We had to do mock job interview. There're two parts of it. They're group interview and individual interview respectively. I was quite neverous that I swung my chair most of the time. And I gave a bad impression by my inappropriate hand gesture. But it's better for individual interview section. The interviewer gave my feedback and he said that it's quite impressive. He told me that he'd never seen someone who was such professional before. He went on speaking that I gave appropriate hand gesture and was fluent in the language. Of course, there's a flaw. He said that I shouldn't tell him about my weaknesses if I didn't ask for. There's the imperfection but good on the whole.
     
    It's was very blissful when learning that I did better compared with other peers.
    [版主回覆11/07/2010 21:36:00]it's good to participate in all kinds of programmes which will give us a chance of meeting new people, knowing how commercial organisations work, accepting new challenges. The benefit of being young is that we got lots and lots of chances of making mistakes without any really serious consequences. So profit from this wonderful period in your life to make your store of mistakes. Mistakes occur when you enter into unfamilair terriotories. Paradoxically, the more mistakes you make, the more you learn! If we don't  make mistakes, that means we are only using old stuffs and we're not going anywhere. We are not learning anything new. So don't be afraid of making mistakes. Mistakes make us strong. Mistakes build us up! I'm so happy for you that you did better than most. Any young girl who knows how to reflect can't be bad!

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  11. The interviewer gave my feedback ...
     
    The interviewer gave me feedback
    [版主回覆11/07/2010 21:37:00]It might be better if you were to say,"I got some feedbacks from the interveiwer" or " the interviewer gave me certain feedbacks."

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  12. You put stress on 'one step at a time' for several times. It makes me more easily to remember. Thank you.
     
    BTW, 'So profit from this wonderful period in your life to make your store of mistakes', I like this sentence. '...to make your store of mistakes'..
    [版主回覆11/08/2010 08:24:00]That's one of the most important lessons a person can learn. Often we feel anxious and got all flustered up in face of what we consider a huge challenge. But if we break down our task into tiny steps, it looks less intimating. I got this insight when I was hiking. Sometimes when one got tired and when one looked ahead and found another long track up another hill top, one might get dismayed and frustrated at the further effort required. I found that if I concentrated my attention just on the next step, and then the next step, I could walk at a much more relaxed pace and could cover such a huge distance upward that when I looked back after I reached the hill top, I was surprised how much I had already covered. So I applied this lesson to my complicated work. It's a good principle to learn. I found it extremely useful.

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  13. It's really a good trip for me. Thank you. I'll apply it for my school work. (At least I'll try.)
     
    What makes me so frustrated before doing anything? How can I cope with it?
    [版主回覆11/08/2010 19:40:00]Previously educators are only concerned with IQ. Now they realize the importance of EQ! Books by Daniel Goleman would not be a bad choice.

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  14. 'I got some feedbacks from the interveiwer'
     
    It's really better. It sounds better.
    [版主回覆11/08/2010 19:43:00]Glad you like it.

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  15. Actually, I'm trying hard. Thank you.
    [版主回覆11/09/2010 18:37:00]I'm reallly happy for you! Keep trying. That's the trick!

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  16. "That's the trick!'??
    [版主回覆11/11/2010 03:07:00]That is the secret or method of doing so!

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